Abstract

The purpose of this paper is to discuss the adverse effects of online anonymity. While online anonymity is positively embraced by many of us, some have faced the dark side of it. Giving prominence to the concept of identity, I discuss the causes, effects and the results of one form of negative use of online anonymity, which is catfishing.

 

Keywords- catfishing, online anonymity, postmodern perspective, identity

 

Online anonymity has unarguably been one of the main reasons behind the widespread use of the internet. The number of different personalities an individual can express themselves as is endless. You can be whoever you wanted to be, however you wanted to be. The lack of consequences that followed only made it even more appealing. However, with all good comes equal bad. While the freedom of expression was originally meant for good, it wasn’t long before it was misused. In this paper I would like to discuss the argument, while online anonymity has been a great aid to many of us, it has also given rise to a not-so-good use of it as well, giving birth to catfishing.

 

According to Lovelock (2017), the definition of catfishing is essentially the act of using a “fake profile” with a bogus identity that is not of the user, used predominantly for malicious acts on social media. Alternate definitions have described catfishing as “the current internet trend of creating and portraying complex fictional identities through online profiles” (Nolan, 2015, as cited in Lauckner et al., 2019). While the second definition is more generalized than the first one, they both agree that catfishing is done by bringing a non-existent being to life. Online impersonation goes hand in hand with catfishing. It can also be described as the stealing of another person’s identity without their consent and using it as your own.

 

The word ‘catfish’ first rose in popularity in 2010, with the movie “Catfish”, about how a young man named Nev Schulman fell in love with a girl online, only to find out the person on the other side of the screen wasn’t really the person he thought it was. It was later adopted into a TV series, which lead to the term to continue to rise in popularity (Heidi, 2013). This was the place where the word ‘catfish’ was assigned a new definition, aside from simply being a type of fish. The concept of catfishing was introduced to the general public when Manti Te’O, a popular linebacker from Notre-Dame, found out that his loving online girlfriend, who had supposedly died from leukemia, didn’t actually exist (Heidi, 2013).

  

It is worth mentioning, however, that both the movie and the TV series based on catfish don’t show the entire problem. In fact, I would argue that they were romanticizing the concept. While that would be a great attention grabber to increase the show’s ratings, they do feed the public a half-truth. The catfish and the victim live happily ever after? I think not.

 

 In this paper, instead of using the media version of catfishing as a case study, I’d like to put the spotlight on real victims who fell prey to the evil schemes of these evil-doers. Victims who, unfortunately, didn’t have a happily ever after.

 

While I do agree that some cases of catfishing can be a prank among friends or simply for the sake of a good laugh, which is often the case, catfishing doesn’t stop there. There have been many cases where people were cheated out of their money, blackmailed, sexually harassed, and even murdered. Some such cases are listed below.

 

Susannah Birch, a 15-year old girl who met an allegedly 17-year old boy named Richard on an online platform with whom she had a 12-year long relationship, was later found to be a 62-year old man. Upon confrontation by Susannah, who provided evidence of knowing who he really was, he began to exploit her using suicide threats (Dale, 2020). When the police were informed of the case, it was to her disappointment that she found that there was, in fact, no law that could prosecute the man. While this is a case from the early internet era, it is worth noting that even to date, there is no law that states that catfishing is entirely an unlawful act. While catfishing minors and making sexual advances on them is considered a crime that could put the offender in jail for up to 15 years, it is not necessarily the case for adult victims (Dale, 2020).

 

In 2013, Renae Marsden committed suicide on the same day of her break-up with her online boyfriend named Brayden. It was only after her death that it was found that Brayden was a fake identity created by Renae’s old friend, who then went on to be freed of all allegations.  “How can anybody put somebody else through mental torture on a grand scale and come out of it on the other end and not be accountable to the law?” were Renae’s father’s words following the predicament (Dale, 2020).

 

In 2017, “Carly’s Law” was made official after the namesake; Carly Ryan was murdered by an alleged teen musician she met online, who was actually a 50-year old man. She was killed when they met in real life, this time him posing as the boy’s father. Getting the law passed was not an easy task either. It was a ten-year long battle against the law for Carly Ryan’s mother, who wanted justice for her deceased daughter, as well as other children who might be falling prey to these petty schemes (Dale, 2020).

 

In 2019, a girl by the name Lydia Abdel-Malik was sentenced to serve a minimum of twenty-one months in jail with six charges of stalking after presenting herself as the celebrity Lincoln Lewis and luring women into thinking that they were romantically involved with the actor. One of her victims later took her own life due to PTSD, anxiety and depression caused due to the incident (Dale, 2020).

 

Another incident that needs to be brought to your notice is when a 26-year old man posed as a teenage girl on online chat rooms to talk with boys. How is this different from the other cases you may ask? Nearly 7 years later, he was charged with sexual abuse of over 300 boys spanning across three countries. He would request sensitive content from the victims and once received, he would threaten to release the images and videos to the internet. He even managed to meet a few of the poor victims in real life, and raped them. When he was caught, officials found over 16,000 videos of the victims on his computer (Iliana, 2018).

 

The above are only a handful of the many cases of catfishing that happen worldwide. Catfishing, while it might seem harmless on the surface, can have detrimental effects on the victims. If the simple idea of having an alternate persona online is taken into account, it seems completely risk-free in terms of the postmodern perspective. Since the postmodern concept of identity is considered to be the form of expression through actions and words, without a fixed structure, it is acceptable to say that a particular person with an alternate identity on the internet in how they really choose to express themselves. However, the problem arises when authenticity is questioned. Is the identity authentic? Is it really the way an individual chooses to express themselves while being genuine to their inner self? Or is it a hoax that they are using to lure in unsuspecting prey? While I do accept that the majority of the catfishing accounts might not be as bad as some of the examples I have provided, it is quite clear that catfishing could go to extremes beyond our expectations.

 

During my research, I also came across a couple of articles that talked about the milder reasons behind the temptation to catfish. Knafo (2021) argues that sometimes, the need to catfish doesn’t only stem from malicious intent, but rather from insecurities about themselves. When they feel like the world is not accommodating who they are in the real world, they seek acception through creating a fake identity online and portraying it as their own (Knafo, 2021).

 

This was the case with Ahamed. Born gay into a Muslim family, he didn’t feel accepted for who he was. Having failed to match with a guy he fancied on a dating app, his self-consciousness got the best of him, which compelled him to catfish. He replaced his own picture with a picture of his friend’s, which he obtained without consent, and managed to hit the goal that he had previously missed (Knafo, 2021).

 

Another such case was when a woman, yet to accept herself as a lesbian, catfished multiple other women under the guise of a man. In her words, “I became my fantasized self, the one who could pass through the world and love girls without reproach” (Madden, 2017, as cited by Knafo, 2021).

 

I agree that Catfishing can’t be limited to bad intentions. Living in a world that doesn’t accept you for your skin colour, ethnicity and sexual orientation could in turn lead to the person wanting to conform to the widely accepted ideals, thus choosing to catfish (Knafo, 2021). Yet, what is wrong is wrong. Ahamed may not have had any ill intentions, but he did take part in identity theft. The lady may have simply wanted to explore who she really was, yet she lied to people and led them on to believe a lie.

 

Yet, with so many cases of catfish running rampant on social media, why is it that there is rarely any coverage on it? Why did it take over seven years to bring a single catfish who ruined hundreds of lives to the face of justice?

 

One word- Anonymity.

 

The issue is, more often than not, the offender is out of reach. With an entire universe of advanced technology standing between the offender and the victim, it is almost impossible to find their true identity (Derzakarian, 2017). Although tracking their IP address might seem like a fool-proof method, it really isn’t. They could be using a VPN connection. They might even be educated in different ways to change IP addresses and their locations (Dale, 2020). Furthermore, the victims don’t have any information on the catfish. Everything is unknown. You would probably have more luck finding a needle in a stack of hay than tracking them down.

 

Is there any way for the victim to free themselves from this situation? If you are a minor, or are lucky enough to only fall for the trap of a mediocre catfish, you have a better chance of being served justice. When the law doesn’t fully cover the injustice occurred to you, all you can do is take extra precautions before you are a victim. Here are some ways you can take precautions.

 

If somebody seems “too good to be true”, chances are, they probably are. If they try to get you to sympathise with them by telling heartbreaking stories that were uncalled for, stay alert. A big red flag would be if their social media profile has very few pictures of them in groups. Always do a background check on people you meet online. If they seem sketchy, cutting contact is the best option. Reverse image searching to find the origins of images is also a great tip to remember (Greenburg, 2017). 

 

Catfishing has been a grave issue that has been around since the advent of the internet. As we develop further as a tech- savvy world, catfish will also develop new tactics to lure in their next prey. While I did manage to bring to light some of the bigger cases of catfishing, it is a much more complicated issue than what meets the eye. Catfish victims are not the only victims in these schemes. The people who had their identities stolen also fall into the same category. However, that’s another story for another time.

 

As I have mentioned above, catfish will be around for as long as the internet prevails. So, it is our responsibility to take precautions about these situations and fight for the victims who haven’t received justice. While we might not be able to create laws to support them, it is within our scope of possibility to raise awareness on the issue. Know the dangers that present themselves online, and learn to steer clear from them.

 

 

Reference List 

 

Dale, A. (2020). Catfishing: The lure of the law: Should catfishing be a crime? LSJ(67), 30-35.

 

Derzakarian, A. (2017). THE DARK SIDE OF SOCIAL MEDIA ROMANCE: CIVIL RECOURSE FOR CATFISH VICTIMS. Loyola of Los Angeles law review, 50(4), 741.

 

Greenberg, P. (2017). Cyberbullies go catfishing. State Legislatures, 43(6), 8.

 

Heidi, S. (2013). Where did ‘catfish’ come from?: How social media have fallen for it — hook, line, hashtag. Chicago tribune (1963).

 

Iliana, M. (2018). ‘Catfishing,’ Blackmail and Sexual Abuse in Norway: Foreign Desk. The New York times.

 

Knafo, D. (2021). Digital Desire and the Cyber Imposter: A Psychoanalytic Reflection on Catfishing. Psychoanalytic dialogues, 31(6), 728-743. https://doi.org/10.1080/10481885.2021.1976187

 

Lauckner, C., Truszczynski, N., Lambert, D., Kottamasu, V., Meherally, S., Schipani-McLaughlin, A. M., Taylor, E., & Hansen, N. (2019). “Catfishing,” cyberbullying, and coercion: An exploration of the risks associated with dating app use among rural sexual minority males. Journal of gay & lesbian mental health, 23(3), 289-306. https://doi.org/10.1080/19359705.2019.1587729

 

Lovelock, M. (2017). Catching a Catfish: Constructing the “Good” Social Media User in Reality Television. Television & new media, 18(3), 203-217. https://doi.org/10.1177/1527476416662709

 

18 thoughts on “The Dark Side of Online Anonymity

  1. Antony Schillaci says:

    Honestly, I am shocked at what appears to be a lack of protection for individuals in the case of cat fishing – nor did I understand the scale or the impact it could have on people. Thanks for bringing to our attention the stories of those with tragic outcomes. I do agree that no matter what the reason for catfishing there is no instance where it is ok and would be really interested to read more about those who have had their indentity used in these situations.

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      Thank you for your reply Antony! I am glad that you have this paper has helped you see the Internet from a different perspective. I am also glad that you share my opinion on catfishing being a bad act from the point of decision no matter the instance that triggered it. And as you have mentioned, identity theft would also definitely be a very interesting topic to dive into.

  2. Michael Nycyk says:

    You raise many good points in describing this problem, very well-done. The only thing I would add is the flow on effect, and this could be an age thing, but the way people who choose not t show their faces on dating sites, but also other social media or sites like LinkedIn are shamed and often told what have you got to hide? Some just really want to not be a part of the internet, and that is increasingly difficult. Yet we see what happens with catfishing and identity theft. As you say we can get IP addresses, but laws to solve catfishing or cyberbullying or anything negative don’t catch up in many countries to punish offenders. Good going.

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      Thank you for your comment, Michael. It really got me thinking. I have seen many instances when online users who choose to remain anonymous have been pestered to do a “self-reveal”. as humans, we are prone to judging others. when the main form of judging someone, i.e. based on their appearance, is taken away, we feel like we’ve don’t have control over the situation and try our best to find who the person behind the screen is. In some instances, I have been guilty of this as well.

      Regarding the law aspect, I think the overall coverage for cyber-crimes as a whole is lacking. Most assume that cyber-bullying and such are not major crimes, so actions against these are often not immediate. As I’ve mentioned in my paper, it took Carly Ryan’s mother ten years to get a law passed. I also agree with the fact that most countries aren’t technologically advanced enough to be able to track down Cyber-criminals like catfish. When developed countries are still going through problems related to dealing with cyber crimes, developing countries are out of the question. It is quite scary how easy it is for a catfish to lure in its next victim, but next to impossible for the victim to track down the catfish to punish them for their offense.

  3. Matthew Cook says:

    This was an interesting read, I would have loved to have seen a breakdown on why it took so long for Carly Ryan’s mother to get justice for her daughter. I think the debate between anonymity and authenticity online is very difficult to navigate. On one hand people need to be punished for wrongdoing, but on the other hand anonymity enables people to explore aspects of themselves they wouldn’t be able to otherwise. Both have their merits and it certainly can’t be only one way or the other. Like you said in your paper, educating and preparing yourself for the realities of the online space is really important.

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      thank you for your comment, Matthew. i tried to find a journal article that would explain the Carly Ryan case, but to no avail. though, i did find a youtube video on it. I have provided a link to the video at the end if you would like to watch it. basically, what the Carly’s law said was that an adult couldn’t lie about their age online to lure in minors. if they do, they would be punished by law. At the time when Carly’s law was proposed, the law against cyber crimes said that the criminal would only be charged or arrested if they had showed sexual intent towards the minor. according to the video, Carly’s law was debated by the senate in 2014, and it was initially rejected as it was considered too general. Anybody who faked their age online could be subject to the law, not only predators. The law enforcement wanted more proof and more control over the criminal, a larger crime than simply faking their age in order to lure victims.
      I also agree that there is a very blurry line between anonymity and authenticity. Anonymity helps a lot of people who are marginalized in real life, to express themselves online. But due to it being misused, we can’t help but doubt everybody, or in the case of catfish victims, trust them. In my opinion, catfishing is not a crime that can be prevented before it happens at all. Catfish can only ever be caught in action. So, as internet users, the only thing we can do is be careful when navigating the Cyber-space.

  4. Brendan Cohen says:

    I enjoyed your paper, Senera. It triggered many competing thoughts. For one thing, online anonymity, which you champion, is only half of the matter as far as I can see. Remarkably, there is as much enthusiasm and energy put into a published life – which is anything but anonymous. I don’t think there has ever been a generation more obsessed with the ‘self’ broadcast to the world, as this last 10 years. I give you TikTok as Exhibit A. While only in its infancy, TT has exploded, and seems for now to be largely self-promotion or, to be kinder, sharing a sense of play and well-being. So this is a very odd coin we hold: one side a revolution in anonymity with all its perks and dangers; the other a broadcast life unerasable, with its own perks and dangers. As for Catfishing? I saw the movie when it came out. At the time, it blew me away. Now it seems passé. I think it joins a much larger landscape fraught with dangers, and demanding consumers stay savvy as each new platform or tool presents itself as the latest super-cool trend. If I saw millions of teenagers joyful and confident and relaxed as never before, I’d celebrate this era of hyper-technology. Why don’t we see that? I think it’s a troubling question.

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      Thank you for your response, Brendan. I have to agree with you that in this day and age, social media really is all about self promotion. Particularly with the advent of TikTok. But, I personally think that this form of self expression has brought with it a different type of catfish. On sites like TikTok, where posts are predominantly of users dancing or lip-syncing to trending audios, you would think that catfish don’t have a way to do anything. But we tend to forget that while this might seem like we know who the users are, we really don’t. There are countless filters that can alter the facial features and body shape, even the voice. There has been many incidents of people faking illnesses, psychological or physical, to swindle money. Recently, I saw videos on how sex predators are running rampant on TikTok, involving minors and inappropriate content. So, no matter how things change, they will only find new ways to get what they want. Yes, social media is largely a positive environment, but there is still so much happening behind the scenes that we don’t know about.

  5. Shaira Alibang says:

    Hey Senera,
    I enjoyed reading your paper, It was very informative and interesting and I’m surprised that there isn’t a specific law about catfishing in regards to it being an unlawful act. It makes me think about how people use catfishing to mask their unlawful doings, harm others, steal other people’s identities, and many more.
    Thanks, Shaira.

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      Thank you for your comment Shaira. It is indeed astonishing how the law barely covers cyber issues like this.

  6. Sherna Nashinee Panyandee says:

    Hi Senera,

    I found your articles really interesting with some good main points included. As we know nowadays catfishing has become a huge, I am shocked to learn that there have been so many cases where people eventually lost their lives as they did not know who was the person they were meeting and they were eventually trapped. This can lead to people having mental health issues and causes trauma . Catfishing is an alarming issue and should be considered more seriously in order to prevent these things from happening and protecting the lives of people.

  7. Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

    Thank you for your comment Sherna. The effects of catfishing can fall anywhere between a harmless prank all the way to taking a person’s life. Not only are victims scarred for life, just knowing that such a threat is available online is enough to evoke anxiety in some individuals. So it is quite a serious issue that really needs to be addressed.

  8. Asli Hussien says:

    Hello, Senera. I enjoyed reading your paper. I kind of wished it was longer since you picked an interesting topic. I agree that TV shows portray catfishing light heartedly when there is a darker and more gruesome part. I investigated some murder stories around catfishing and it is scary to know how much evilness and manipulation is embedded in the catfishing process. The first question that came to mind when reading these stories was, how can you catch a killer whose whole identity online is a facade. There are little power to stop catfishing and at this point anyone can be the next prey to these people. Some question I have include:

    With many countries having impersonation and false identity for personal/financial gain a criminal offense that can lead a penalty of 10 years in jail, should the rules be more inclusive when dealing with online accounts.

    Currently, when catfishing is concerned, the law only applies when heinous crime is committed like murder, rape, violence, paedophilia behaviour and others. It doesn’t have the same penalty when mental health issues are concerned. So, in a way, what can be done to reduce the increase of mental health issues and suicide rate surrounding catfishing?

    Anonymity allows more people to express themselves online without any issue but as you discussed in your paper, it comes with a price. Issues around a catfishing arise and the offenders are difficult to find as you said that it is “almost impossible to find their true identity”. What condolences would victims get if not retribution and making the offender pay? Is there a possible way to catch the offenders faster?

    Some of the reason people create these accounts include loneliness, body dissatisfaction and even an escape from reality. In this case is impersonation/identity theft the root of evil?

    I would like to hear your opinions and in the meantime you are welcome to read my paper whenever at:
    https://networkconference.netstudies.org/2022/ioa/780/muslim-women-identities-against-islamophobia/

    Regards
    Asli

    • Senera Uggal Babila Gamage says:

      thank you for your comment, Asli.
      I’ll answer your questions following the same order as yours. This is going to be a long answer so brace yourself.

      How do you catch a killer whose identity is hidden? Well, it’s near impossible. You could be able to trace IP addresses but if they are using some form of technology, VPN for instance, to hide their IP address, you can’t really do much. But recently there have been groups of individuals who have decided to pose as potential victims on social media sites that have an abundance of pedophiles, scammers and such, and report it to the respective law authorities with proof. This YouTube link is of such an instance.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCj1zNpKoM You could say they were catfishing a catfish in a way. But this is not something necessarily possible for real victims sometimes, because more often than not, they don’t know that they are being catfished. It is only after the damage is done that they realize they’ve been lied to. So identifying malice is quite a tough task.

      Should rules be more inclusive for online accounts as well? In my opinion, yes. whether online or offline, scamming is scamming, money laundering is money laundering. So, I don’t see why it shouldn’t be included as well. But there are problems associated with it. As online anonymity is one of the key points of social media, you can’t simply punish everybody with a false identity account. Some of these accounts could be harmless- they could be using it to explore their true identities, which are marginalized in real life. So, it could be hard to impose laws against online crimes but even then, when such cases are reported, I think authorities should apply similar laws to the online accounts as well.

      What can be done to reduce mental health issues and suicide rates? Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s anything we can really do. It all comes down to raising awareness about the issue, and remaining vigilant online and cutting contact with anybody who seems suspicious. But it’s easier said than done. Catfish don’t jump into action right away. They gradually gain their victims’ trust before getting into their actual motives, which is why there are so many cases where people actually fall for them. Then there is blackmailing, which is another very strong reason behind people doing what the catfish want. Most suicide cases occur due to shame. They could be ashamed that they fell for such a trap, or because something happened to them that they are too embarrassed to speak about. So, all we can do is raise awareness and let the people know that it is a common occurrence (sadly) and that it’s okay to speak up about it.

      What condolences can the victims get? As I mentioned above, apart from retribution, all we can do is make them feel accepted and provide a space where they can speak up about it, so that they could receive help in return. To do this, we have to raise awareness beforehand so that they know there isn’t anything to be ashamed of. Is there a way to catch the offenders faster? Once you recognize a potential catfish, I think the fastest way to bring them to the face of justice is to try to extract as much information about them as possible. I remember reading about an incident where a gamer was able to track down a father who ran away with his 4 year old daughter after losing custody over her, by opting to deliver a pizza for him. I’ve attached a link to the article below.
      https://www.insideedition.com/24963-sleuth-uses-promise-of-pizza-to-trick-4-year-old-girls-alleged-captor-into-revealing

      Is identity theft/ impersonation the root of evil? Identity theft or impersonation is wrong no matter how you look at it. You are using somebody else’s identity and using it as your own. While some people could be using it as a form of escape, if the identity is used to hurt somebody, physically or mentally, then it is still bad. Even if you don’t plan on hurting anybody, the person whose identity was stolen would get hurt in the process either way. So, in my opinion identity theft is wrong, no matter the situation.

      I hope I have answered all your questions. Once again, thank you for the comment!

  9. Navishta Pentiah says:

    I do agree that the media such as tv shows and movies sometimes show that the catfish and the victim live happily after this. Firstly am shocked to know that catfishing an adult is not really considered a crime when this can cause mental torture to the victim and I personally think that a law upon this should be added. This would not only warn the catfish but also help the victims in a way as well. Furthermore 15 years of jail is not enough when you have catfish a minor as this can impact the future of the victim.

    In the case of Renae death the catfish should be punished for what she has done as it is not fine to put people through torture to a point where she commit suicide. A law should be made so as to stop other catfish to do the same and get away with it.

    It is happy to read about the Carly’s law been made official but why did it take so long to win the case is a bit concerning.

    I do agree that sometimes we feel like we are not accepted in the real world examples given gay man catfish other men into believing he is a girl or lesbian girl trying to catfish other girl into believing she is a man, even if their intentions are not bad because they just wanted to feel accepted this is not the way to do it because there are victims in this who believed everything. So, yes, even if you feel the need for catfishing you shouldn’t do it as it is wrong.

    To also agree that catching a catfish is almost impossible as they can be using VPN to hide their real IP address and location but we should not stop there just like technology is growing everyday i do believe that our cyber security should also improve to a point where we can have at least 40 to 50 percent of catching a catfish when they are using a VPN. Moreover I also believe that these issues should be taught at school and explain them how to protect themselves.

    Lastly, i would say that there should be more strict laws that would punish the catfish and give justice to the victims and their family.
    Maybe our society doesn’t bother talk about it nor does most media talk and write about it, is the problem on why we don’t have that strict of laws to punish them.

  10. Shellee Devereux says:

    Hi Senera,

    Great effort!

    I particularly enjoyed all the real-life examples of catfishing you included to support your argument.

    With an increase in the desire to want to be famous on social media and gain a following, people tend to forget that they need to be more careful with how much information they openly share online. This information can be stolen and used by a completely unknown person to perform malice acts.

    Users themselves can use filters or edit photos/videos to portray themselves in a certain way to their audience, and once their followers believe their false presentation of themselves, I consider that catfishing.

    It was a very interesting topic, I just wish it went into even more detail.

    Again, great job!

    Kind regards,
    Shellee

  11. Emmelie Fiedler says:

    Hello Serena,

    Thank you for reading my article.
    I think your topic is an essential topic to be brought up since it is a big problem even today. The online world has always had its dangers and I agree that catfishing is probably one of the most harmful. I agree with what you have said in your article. I also wanted to let you know that your bringing this side of anonymity up is important since I have only educated others on the positive aspects of anonymity. I especially appreciate you stating cases in which catfishing has been proven to be a dangerous act on the internet and I admire how you wrote your article in relation to the cases.
    Make sure to read my response under my article. I think we can learn a lot from each other.

    Kind regards,
    Emmelie

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