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Collins-Corps_20584115_Conference Paper
Hey guys, I understand Andrew Tate is a very controversial online personality so I am excited what your opinions may be on my paper! Thank you for reading.
Hi Jackson,
What an interesting read! I have to admit, I did have a biased opinion before reading this, though I do agree with your perspective. My comprehension of this paper’s aim was regarding Andrew Tate’s positive impact on young men through social media in terms of his influence on physical fitness, wealth creation, and mindset development. You explored how Tate leverages platforms such as Instagram and Twitter to inspire and motivate his followers, leading to changes in behaviour and mindset among young men.
An aspect you discussed that stood out to me was the role of social media algorithms in amplifying Tate’s message and supporting engagement among users. The concept of clicktivism and its challenges for offline behaviour change is interesting. It definitely raises questions about the extent to which online interactions translate into real-world actions, as well as the ethical considerations of algorithm-driven content distribution.
I guess something to consider is echo chambers. How might the echo chamber effect on social media platforms influence the distribution and reception of Andrew Tate’s messages? Understanding how echo chambers can reinforce existing beliefs and attitudes among Tate’s followers, as well as the potential for polarisation and resistance to opposing perspectives and opinions, could offer valuable perspectives into the dynamics of online communities and the spread of ideas.
Although your paper also focuses on the positive aspects of Tate’s influence, it would also be very beneficial to address some of the criticism or controversies surrounding him (e.g., ethical concerns about wealth creation advice, controversial statements and behaviour, questionable credibility, impact on mental health, and misogyny).
The paper was a great read overall, it definitely provided a great insight on how Andrew Tate and other social media influencers drive social change and inspire positive behaviour among their followers, particularly young men.
Hi,
Thank you for your input. I appreciate the time you took to read my paper.
I believe we have a long way to go before the algorithms that provide us with the personalised content we see on social media can be considered 100% ethical. Who is going to decide what is considered ethical and what is not? Raises some concerns in my eyes.
I wish I had mentioned echo chambers in my paper as that is the perfect way to describe what happened with Andrew Tate. However I do not necessarily believe that is a bad thing. In terms of perpetuating his unfavourable and distasteful views it could definitely be harmful. For his positive messages which I focused on I believe this is a good thing. Young men were being reinforced with positive ideas that over time sparked a change and triggered a movement.
I cannot sit here and say that everything Tate says is politically correct. He definitely has said/done offensive things that could have had negative affects on people. Some of his views can definitely be questioned however I do not believe the negatives should outweigh the positives.
Again, thank you for reading and for your input.
Jackson Collins-Corps
Hi Jackson,
Your conference paper caught my eye when I saw you spoke about Andrew Tate. It was definitely a very interesting topic, and the paper you wrote was quite interesting to read. I will say, I do have a negative opinion on Tate due to many different reasons, however I did want to read your paper with an open mind as you discussed the positives.
Reading your paper, I can see that you have really emphasised the idea that Andrew Tate is more than what the press depicts him as. I like how you spoke about education and how he encourages young men to generate wealth by reflecting on his personal hardships. I feel as though this is definitely an important topic for young men to understand as they develop into young adults. The business success he has had is quite evident throughout the paper, as you drew on the numerous elements utilised to achieve a positive message.
I’m curious to understand your perspective a bit more. Tate has been outspoken about many controversial opinions, especially comments toward women. Do you believe that Andrew Tate is a good role model for young men? I agree, he has definitely encouraged a positive personal mindset and personal growth, but what about within society and towards others? He has been labelled misogynistic, criminal, hateful & controversial (to name a few). Do you think these labels have created a false reputation of him, or that young men should continue to look up to him based on the positives you discussed? Self-growth is always ideal, however the actions you depict on others should be just as important. What kind of message do you think this sends to the youth?
I am keen to hear your thoughts.
Thank you for sharing your paper with us.
Ella Thornton-Elliott
Hi Ella,
Thank you for reading my paper with an open mind. I understand that reading and responding to something that you do not agree with and still being able to comment something positive can be difficult. Displays good character traits in my opinion.
I do believe that Andrew Tate is a good role model for young men. As stated in my paper he pushes for many positives. However, I do see how some of his comments could be harmful to influential young men. As we know, there is sometimes a lack of context on the internet. With clips and comments being altered to only show part of the full message. In terms of Tate’s clips, I believe this has occurred on an extreme level. Tate has amassed a blind following from many fans so when they are fed with these out of context clips they are going to agree with whatever the message of the video is. This indeed can be harmful if the video is portraying him to be misogynistic. It can also be difficult to decipher between what is factual and what is false on the internet. Not everyone is going to dig deep and do their research on every Andrew Tate clip they see and therefore yes you are correct in saying that some of his messages can be harmful. However, I do not believe that negatives should outweigh the positives.
We can look to the very famous activist Ghandi for example. Now in no sense am I comparing Andrew Tate to Ghandi however there are some similarities that can be seen. Ghandi pushed for peace and many other positive messages. However people later discovered that he had made racist comments. Does that mean we should disregard everything he has said? I personally do not believe so.
I think that Andrew Tates message can not be strung into one sentence and must be separated into multiple smaller messages. Otherwise, as you have stated, this could be harmful. I think the positive ideas that he preaches need to be held aside from the negative ones. Unfortunately in this day and age I believe that may be impossible.
Thank you for your comment.
Jackson Collins-Corps
Hi Jackson,
Thanks for your article! As I was scrolling through the website your title caught my attention and I couldn’t resist reading it and looking at the comments ahaha. That probably says a lot about human nature and being attracted to controversy.
I’m not a fan of Tate in any capacity, but I accept your points and agree that he had a positive impact on a substantial number of young men in the community. Specifically, your points about people being inspired to go the gym and develop a ‘winners mentality’ so to speak are very true.
The stuff about masculine identity however, I think is more of an example of an echo chamber, rather than Tate actually swaying opinions and influencing people’s views on the matter. The people listening to him spout stuff like “being a man about things isn’t not feeling things. It’s feeling things and still acting like a man,” would likely already hold strong masculine values and identities. These catchy phrases just serve as something for these people to latch onto and reinforce their own views. So I think to say he has had a positive impact in that area is a stretch. He’s actually probably had very little influence. It’s just his massive exposure and following in the media have brought those views to the forefront of discussion.
It’s worth noting that I also completely disagree with that take on masculine identity, but I respect that it is a subjective topic.
Cheers,
Ezra
Hi Ezra,
I specifically chose this topic as I hoped it would at least attract some attention hahaha.
There are many men who struggle with their identity and their body image in this day and age. The difference with men is that they are almost never vocal with how they view their own bodies. Tate has empowered these young men into making a change and given them the advice they need to make a change. Men struggle with who they are and what Tate has done is show them that it is okay to be masculine in an age where that is often looked down upon by an abundance of people (typically far left wing). I respectfully disagree with your statement that he’s “had very little influence” as we can clearly see a large following for him. Echo chambers have definitely played apart in Andrew Tate’s success but to say that he did not plant at least some seeds and form some movements is incorrect (in my opinion).
Thank you for your comment and I look forward to hearing your feedback.
Jackson CC
Hi Jackson,
I found your topic quite intriguing and loved hearing your personal experiences. As other people have noted that I would be aware of echo chambers. Do you think that Andrew Tate fosters a healthy and positive community for men while having misogynistic to another community is empowering.From my understanding Andrew Tate saids “normal” things that are sandwich between sensational and misogynistic things. I agree however, that social media and male influencers are empowering mental health for men which is often not discussed enough but however, someone who is sex trafficking women does not seem to have an overall positive impact.
Overall, your paper had good points even though I disagree with his morals and the way he treats women and offered a different perspective.
Hi Anna,
Thank you for taking the time to read my paper.
I would love to hear some of the misogynistic things that Andrew Tate has said in the past so that I can discuss them with you. I mainly try to focus on the positives. I certainly believe that he fosters a healthy community for men as we can see clear evidence of his impact on the community which I covered in my paper.
Andrew Tate has currently not been convicted of any sex trafficking crimes and therefore I believe it is unfair to label him as such until/if that time ever comes.
Thank you.
Hi Jackson.
I would be happy to discuss. Andrew Tate is wanted for sex trafficking charges in Romania. Additionally, he is arrested for “allegations of sexual aggression” in the U.K from 2012 and 2015 (Mackintosh, 2024). He is currently not being detained in Romania as he is under warrant and arrest for the previous charges. For the Romania charge he was under house arrest. Andrew Tate has two “pending” main charges over sex trafficking women and sexual assault and rape over a span over years. One in four women are raped, the fact that he has two charges of multiple women accusing him of these crimes tells me more “empowering men” (Mackintosh, 2024).
Additionally, he has called women “intrinsically lazy”.(HALL, 2023) He has also stated victims of rape should ‘bear some responsibility’ for being raped. The way he additionally exclusively dates 18 to 19 as 35 year old man because they’ve ‘been through less dick’. Not just the casual slut shaming, but there is a massive age gap and they are in different levels of stages of lives and maturity. Young girls are going to have less life experience and less mature than he is. He also has a lot of money and 18 and 19 years would not have a lot of money. There is a massive power imbalance.
He has objectified women and said women should put their body counts on their foreheads (HALL, 2023).
I believe that men can find better influencers who encourage discussion around mental health and fitness with out influencing young men to be misogynistic. If he thinks that is okay to say and promote then these young boys will be parroting this.
HALL, H. (2023, December 1). Andrew Tate and the rise of the mega misogynists. Cosmopolitan. https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a42913789/andrew-tate-online-misogyny/
Mackintosh, T. (2024, March 12). Andrew Tate and brother Tristan can be extradited to UK, Romanian court rules. http://Www.bbc.com. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68547871
Hi Jackson, this article is certainly one way to get people commenting!
Your paper mentions all of the ‘positive’ things about Andrew Tate and his ‘positive’ influence on young men on social media but forgets to mention that Andrew Tate is the most controversial man on the internet.
I think it is important to highlight that “Following widespread condemnation of [Andrew Tate’s] content, in August 2022, Tate’s content on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram was banned (Wilson, 2022).” Not entirely sure how he can have a positive influence online, when all of his accounts are banned…?
Andrew Tate’s influence on social media has undeniably sparked controversy and raised concerns about its negative impact on men, particularly in terms of perpetuating toxic masculinity, misogyny, and harmful gender dynamics.
Firstly, Tate’s portrayal of masculinity on platforms like YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram often aligns with traditional and harmful stereotypes. His emphasis on physical strength, dominance, and aggressive behaviour reinforces narrow and unrealistic standards of masculinity. You mention, “A large majority of his content depicts himself topless, which showcases his good physique and masculinity. Young men seeking motivation and guidance can see visible proof of Andrew Tate’s success on Instagram and Tik Tok which has inspired his fanbase and given them the push that they needed to make a change in their lifestyle to achieve his level of success.” By constantly showcasing his physique and promoting the idea that men should be dominant and stoic, Tate contributes to the pressure on men to conform to these ideals, which can lead to issues like body dysmorphia and low self-esteem among those who do not fit the mould.
You do not mention anywhere throughout your article Andrew Tate’s viewpoint on women and relationships – the sole reason for his fame and majority of his social media content. Tate’s content on social media platforms has been banned due to widespread condemnation of its misogynistic and harmful nature. His videos promote regressive stereotypes, such as the belief that women are men’s property and should bear responsibility for rape. Do you agree with this statement? If your daughter dated a man, with these views – would you be comfortable with that? That he Is her property and if she is raped it’s her responsibility? By disseminating such content, Tate not only normalizes sexism but also contributes to a culture of discrimination and violence against women.
Two days ago, Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese released a $5,000 grant for women to leave violent partners. It’s people like Andrew Tate, that are influencing such behaviours on young men and putting women in vulnerable positions. The fact that we even need have a grant for this is disappointing. It’s important to raise the current TikTok trending question “Would you rather be left alone in the woods with a man or a bear?” If that was me, I would choose the bear, because I fear men like Andrew Tate and his misogynistic prodigy he has created.
In addition, Tate’s influence on young men’s attitudes towards masculinity and relationships is concerning. He trades in men’s fears about their place in masculinity, portraying wealth and dominance as markers of success and perpetuating harmful ideologies about gender roles. By presenting himself as an ‘authentic’ voice of ‘realism’ and exploiting boys’ interest in shock and banter humour, Tate makes misogyny and toxic masculinity seem acceptable, further entrenching harmful gender norms.
You mention, Andrew Tate has taught young men how to develop their mindset and emotional intelligence through projecting his opinion on social media.
Well, he is entitled to his wrong opinion.
By encouraging toxic masculinity, misogyny, and harmful gender dynamics, Tate’s influence undermines efforts towards gender equality and healthy relationships, and it’s crucial to raise awareness and provide critical education to young people about the damaging effects of his content.
Look forward to your response.
Thanks,
Charlotte
Hi Jackson, this is an interesting take on a very divisive figure.
While I can acknowledge that Tate has some positive takes regarding exercise and building self-worth, I generally find his whole persona to be overtly misogynistic and problematic. He often talks about being a “man” but his model of masculinity is rooted in western chauvinism. What are your thoughts on his influence being linked to an increase of sexual assualts, especially considering his ongoing legal issues in Romania and in the UK?
Again, this was an interesting read, and while I disagree, thank you for writing it.
Katt J (They/Them)
Hi Katt,
Thank you for reading my paper.
I can’t say I have read up on his influence being linked to increased sexual assaults so I cannot give an educated response to that question unfortunately.
People are always going to have different opinions on the same topic and as it appears we both have differing views on the man.
Yeah, I can’t help myself…
Thank you for writing what is a very interesting and brave choice of article!
I am going to echo some of the previous comments in that I strongly question how positive an impact Andrew Tate’s opinions on male masculinity can have when his posts are as misogynistic as they are.
Putting aside Mr. Tate’s pending trial and extradition for alleged rape and sex trafficking, and his bans on numerous social media platforms, it’s clear that his misogynistic tweets pushing a warped toxic masculinity (see his tweet from today about what he thinks about people who like Star Wars that uses a word I can’t repeat here, because how dare people like things that he doesn’t) are landing with a large number of impressionable youths. So many, in fact, that female high school students and teachers are facing increased levels of abuse and sexual harassment from male students who follow Andrew Tate and other so-called “manfluencers” (See this article by Wescott et. al, https://doi.org/10.1080/09540253.2023.2292622).
I do question how much of what Andrew posts is his genuine thoughts and opinions, and how much of it is designed purely to be as controversial as possible to drive up as much engagement as he can. It’s no secret that he makes a huge amount of money from Twitter’s ad revenue scheme, and the more controversial a tweet he makes the more impressions it will get, and the more he will get paid. What do you think? And if he is “playing the system” for his own profit, is that somehow better or worse than posting the offensive things he does because he genuinely believes them?
I agree with you that social media platforms and influencers can, in some cases, have a positive impact on their audiences and promote healthy lifestyles and decisions. However, I strongly disagree that Andrew Tate is an example of this.
Nonetheless, I respect your opinion and thank you again for your article.
Hello jackson,
Although there have been many controversial methods and viewpoints presented via state I do believe that the underlying values are holistically positive.
From the evidence I have seen some of the advice does serve to motivate users predominantly young adults within the 16-2 demographic to further develop their emotional intelligence regarding their personal, Relationship and formal connections, however from what I have seen this is a bit more presented via his brother tristan as andrew can seem somewhat hot headed at times.
regardless quite an interesting article.
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