Facebook Group as Digital Bridge: Building an Online Community for the Social Development of Indonesian and Australian Intercultural Marriage

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Facebook Group as Digital Bridge: Building an Online Community for the Social Development of Indonesian and Australian Intercultural Marriage

 

 

By: Marliani, D 
Curtin University School of Media, Creative Arts and Social Enquiries 
Perth, Western Australia 

 

Thesis:

Although this Facebook group primarily assists the Indonesian community in Australia in adjusting their lifestyle, English barrier, culture adaptation, and finding virtual friendships, it also sparks friendships that blossom in real life. 

 

Keywords:  

Intercultural Marrieds, Indonesian Community in Australia, Facebook group, Social Networks, Australian-Indonesian Couple, KKC, cultural adaptation, migration, human geography 

 

ABSTRACT

Indonesians who married Australians face challenges in adjusting to their new lifestyle, including language barriers and raising children in an English-speaking environment. Cultural adaptation with their partners can also be challenging. This conference paper will explore the mixed matrimony community between Indonesians and Australians by analysing the virtual activity in a Facebook group. This includes their adjustment to the new lifestyle in Australia, managing their cross-cultural differences, facing their English barrier, and developing friendships. KKC OZ & NZ, an acronym for Komunitas Kawin Campur (Mix Matrimony Community), Australia and New Zealand, serves as a virtual community on Facebook for Indonesians married to Australians and New Zealanders. The platform facilitates the community’s transformation through knowledge and information sharing. By engaging in meaningful interactions and actively participating in the virtual environment, members can foster deeper connections, share experiences, and seek support from a diverse source while also fostering real-life friendships.

 

INTRODUCTION

Many Indonesians who marry Australians move from Indonesia and struggle to adapt to their new lifestyle; this includes language barriers and raising children in an English-speaking environment. At the same time, cultural adaptation with their partner is another challenge. This issue sometimes results in never-ending arguments and ultimately leads to agreeing to disagree. For these reasons, many are searching for a community that fits their requirements, and social media is the first stop in their search. In order to look for answers and understand the new cultures without erasing Indonesian cultures, this paper will discuss the Facebook group called KKC OZ & NZ (which means mix matrimony community between Indonesians and Australians or New Zealanders). This paper will explore the functions of the group, including its members’ online engagements, their identities, and its ability to unite individuals from diverse backgrounds into a cohesive community. Although this Facebook group primarily assists the Indonesian community in Australia in adjusting their lifestyle, the English barrier, cultural adaptation, and finding virtual friendships, it also sparks friendships that blossom in real life. 

 

FACEBOOK GROUP: INDONESIAN-AUSTRALIAN MIXED COUPLE VIRTUAL COMMUNITY

Facebook established a Facebook Group in 2010 (Pages, 2020) to promote social interactions and facilitate mutual support among its users, following Facebook’s creation in 2004. In his Facebook note from 2021, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg expressed the specific purpose of establishing Facebook groups to give people the power to build a global community. A Facebook group serves as the foundation for constructing a virtual community, where strangers share information and experiences to assist others through online platforms. In this case, Facebook’s slogan, “Connecting People,” means not only reconnecting old classmates or family members who live in different cities or countries but also creating new connections with mutual destiny through a virtual community.

One example of a virtual community is the Australian-Indonesian mixed-marriage Facebook group (KKC OZ-NZ). Formed in 2010, the group aims to share information and exchange experiences based on participatory culture, where members participate to share information and experiences to enlighten other members who post a question. The group covers topics such as processing spouse visas, cultural adaptation, raising children in Australia, and living in a multilingual household. Over time, the group evolved into a cohesive network. The KKC OZ-NZ community consists of individuals who are unfamiliar with each other yet have a shared interest and are typically in similar situations. Members of the KKC OZ-NZ community are welcome to ask any questions, give advice, or share their experiences for others to respond to.

By March 2024, the group had reached 2412 members (KKC OZ-NZ, 2024). This Facebook community for Indonesians with Australian partners has demonstrated itself to be an invaluable platform for exchanging experiences, guidance, and assistance. This Facebook group serves as a digital bridge, connecting members across time zones and distances. As they continued to grow, the administrators and moderators tried to continue to make the virtual community a beacon of positivity and empowerment for all its members. 

 

THE ONLINE ENGAGEMENT  

The level of participation from the members of this group has fluctuated since its establishment in 2010. However, they consistently provide responses for each posting. On March 18, 2024, one of the members uploaded a poll addressing the challenges they face in managing relationships with their Australian and New Zealand partners. For example, within 24 hours, the responses of 103 participants revealed that 62% faced challenges related to cultural or ideological adaptation and 23% encountered language barriers, as shown below. Additionally, 13% reported difficulties raising children in a multilingual household.

*Source: KKC OZ & NZ Facebook group March 20, 2024

And Meta’s engagement report for March 2024 below provides an analysis of activity times and days when the majority of members were active, as well as the engagement traffic for reactions and comments. 

                         
Source: KKC OZ & NZ Facebook group community March 20, 2024

The posts cover a wide range of topics, from asking questions about the restaurant’s recommendations and getting advice to sharing information and updates on immigration laws, as well as family matters. Members who engage in meaningful interactions and actively participate in this virtual environment have the opportunity to foster deeper connections, share insights, and seek support from a diverse and empathetic community, such as assistance with domestic violence, language barriers, further study for mature students, or even looking for anyone to have a coffee with. Although disagreements and quarrels occasionally occur, administrators always act wisely, concluding the discussion by summarising the answers and closing the commenting section before it escalates to online bullying.

Hampton & Wellman (2018) mention in their essay that “failure and strength are inherent in every form of community.” Therefore, despite the KKC OZ-NZ members’ establishment of a supportive and inclusive space where they can connect, learn from each other, and navigate the unique challenges and joys of cross-cultural relationships, the group still experiences drama. As a result, the administrators constantly monitor the group to act as moderators and as needed.

 

TACKLING THE LANGUAGE BARRIER

Although Australia is Indonesia’s neighbour, many Indonesians are still surprised by Australian English, especially its accents and slang. Generally, the problem does not lie in communicating with their partners, as numerous Australians possess fluency in Bahasa Indonesia or possess the ability to comprehend their partner’s limited English; presumably, some Indonesians grew up learning American English. Nevertheless, the Australian slang is confusing for some, and yet, the process of navigating the Australian bureaucracy to meet the visa criteria for a partner’s English is significantly different from Australian daily slang. For example, in Australian English, tea would mean dinner. Although Indonesia has had an English curriculum in junior high school (year 7) since 1967 (Isadaud et al., 2020), in their article, Isaadaud et al. (2020) explained that many Indonesians do not take English class seriously for some reasons, such as low interest, too hard to learn, complicated pronunciation of the vocabulary, or a lack of a competent English teacher. Since 2013, English has only been a compulsory subject in early education at year one primary school (Azmy, 2020). Therefore, the language barrier for Indonesians, from baby boomers to Gen Z, where most members of the KKC OZ-NZ are, may be a prevalent issue.

Having children in a multilingual household is another major issue. This is especially true when their children are on the verge of developing English reading skills. Teaching their children to read in English will be difficult for Indonesian parents who do not have experience learning English phonetics. In this case, they would ask if any member of the group had any tutor recommendations. In other cases, adults who have language difficulties are typically advised to take an extra English class as part of the Adult Migrant English Programme (AMEP) in TAFE, which is 100% subsidised by the government. Only individuals with firsthand experience are aware of this information, as it remains unpublicised. To conclude, the role of a Facebook group that provides guidance is critical in addressing these difficulties. KKC OZ-NZ members have the opportunity to exchange experiences, advice, and materials pertaining to language learning, cultural understanding, especially with local slang, and overcoming administrative obstacles by getting information from other members.

 

CONNECTING TO ONLINE IDENTITY AND ADVOCACY

The administrators have designated the group as a private community. To verify their authenticity and avoid engaging in marketing campaigns, fraudulent activity, or misinterpreting the group as a matchmaking community, individuals must answer certain questions when they try to join. Users must use their personal Facebook profile instead of their business account. However, using a pseudonym is allowed. Once they become members, they can post anonymously to protect their true identities as posters, preventing discrimination, humiliation, and bias on social platforms (Thorsen & Sreedharan, 2019). Despite all group members becoming accustomed to encountering identical posts, some individuals may be reluctant to share personal issues with unfamiliar people, particularly when their real photo serves as a profile on their Facebook page. Indonesia is a country with thousands of cultural, religious, and political views. The group has a membership of over two thousand individuals, all of whom share a common feature: they are Indonesian nationals who are married to partners from Australia or New Zealand.

In contrast, some members are proud of their identities and use their profiles to advocate for themselves as domestic violence survivors, single mothers, and partner visas’ advisors. Papacharissi (2016) characterises these online communities as affective, coming together over networks that are discursively constructed from mediated interactions, and they form and dissolve around sentimental relationships. Their participation as a group expert is extremely helpful to the community; by responding to the questions, they are able to provide answers from different perspectives, demonstrating cultural tolerance towards their partners. Some members with higher education and more experience frequently contribute educational resources about Australia’s laws and rights. Such as updating immigration’s regulations, the governments or non-government agencies that assist in domestic violence, the educational path for mature students, how to get the educational equivalency certificate in Australia, etc. Online engagements in the KKC OZ-NZ group community empower members to embrace their identities, cultivate self-acceptance, and advocate for inclusivity and social justice, both within the community and in a larger context. In general, this mixed-marriage Facebook group for Indonesians offers a platform for individuals to engage in the exploration, expression, and commemoration of their identities. Thus, it fosters a sense of community, mutual understanding, and empowerment.

 

LIFESTYLE ADJUSTMENT

Cultural adaptation is another challenge in a mixed-married household. Despite using the same technology in their respective eras, the upbringing of the Indonesian partners, who grew up in the eighties and nineties, would differ significantly from that of Australia. Jones et al. (2011) stated in their book that “the marriage between countries and regions and ethnic and socio-economic groupings within countries entails significant differences.” These differences appear to impact each family within the community, ranging from minor concerns like cleaning practices to managing financial issues. Most Indonesians who had never resided overseas prior to marrying their Australian partner encountered the unexpected impact of rising living expenses and their partner’s financial management. The group’s responses to these issues stem from mental support, sharing experiences, and education. Intercultural adaptation requires both parties to understand each other’s cultural practices (Holliday, 2021). The comments that come to respond about cultural adaptation issues are essentially identical: they all emphasise that it is important to establish mutual agreement in the household and demonstrate respect for diverse cultures in order to adapt to a new lifestyle while simultaneously embracing and preserving one’s own cultural heritage. 

 

NETWORKING AND FRIENDSHIP

Members may encounter challenges related to economic, social, and cultural changes. This difference prompted the mixed-married couple to make their marriage work. While their Australian partners aim to create a comfortable space for their Indonesian partners to adjust their lifestyles, they may find it more comfortable to receive information from the Indonesian community, who can share their experiences. Although Facebook facilitates the initiation and maintenance of social interactions online and has become entrenched in the way emerging adults communicate today (Khalis & Mikami, 2018), it is undeniable that communication through digital media often lacks the cues inherent in face-to-face interactions (McKenna & Bargh, 2000), including but not limited to facial expressions, gestures, and vocal intonations. Miscommunications usually arise for those reasons. Therefore, members who live in the same region usually organise a meetup and create their own community. This community is a thicker relationship where individuals share private information like their phone number, address, and occupation and introduce their family to each other’s family (Dotson, 2017). Digital communication often lacks face-to-face cues, leading to misunderstandings, and some members need to create their own filter bubble. To address this, members who live in close proximity organise gatherings and create their own local communities where they have more similar interests, which then become friendships in real life.

 

CONCLUSION

A Facebook group that creates a little virtual community for Indonesians who marry Australian partners has been very helpful to its members in overcoming various multifaceted challenges, including differences in language barriers, children’s upbringing, and education in an English-speaking environment. While communication with partners is often manageable, cultural adaptation can also be challenging. To address these issues, many Indonesians are searching for a community that fits their requirements. The mixed matrimony community between Indonesians, Australians, and New Zealanders, known as KKC OZ and NZ, has proven to be an invaluable platform. By engaging in meaningful interactions and actively participating in the virtual environment, members can foster deeper connections, share experiences, and seek support from a diverse and empathetic community. The KKC OZ&NZ Facebook group, which serves as a digital bridge, connects members across time zones and distances, sparking friendships that blossom in real life.

 

 

 

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28 responses to “Facebook Group as Digital Bridge: Building an Online Community for the Social Development of Indonesian and Australian Intercultural Marriage”

  1. Wynetta Metasurya Avatar
    Wynetta Metasurya

    Hi Desi

    Interesting topic! The existing KKC OZ-NZ community on Facebook was especially new to me, making this a fresh read for me.

    Quick question — Apart from all these positive influences that the Facebook community has for Indonesians who married Australia and have now moved to Australia, do you think there are pain points or limitations that can be discovered from the online group itself, which might be more effective done in-person? If so, how they can be leveraged?

    Although I believe you have covered a lot of interesting topics, concepts, and terms, I think it’s also worth mentioning this Facebook community as a third place as it facilitates Indonesians who are married to Australians and now live in Australia to connect with each other and support one another outside of ‘real-life’ work and interaction. Just a brief suggestion to consider if you think it’s a third place.

    Also, if you can please consider reading my paper and leaving feedback, that would be helpful! It analyses Pinterest as a social networking site and its impact towards young girls and women. Thank you! https://networkconference.netstudies.org/2024/onsc/3461/beyond-the-aesthetics-reassessing-pinterests-perception-as-a-social-networking-site-and-its-potentially-detrimental-influence-on-young-girls-and-women/

    Wynetta

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      hi Wynetta, 
      Thank you for the time you have spared to read my paper. To answer your questions, the group has been in existence for 13 years, during which time the administrators have consistently reflected, reviewed, fixed, and made adjustments that were optimal for everyone. The members understand that the group cannot effectively facilitate friendships, which go beyond information sharing and offer online support and encouragement. This is where it is obvious that the KKC Facebook group is only applicable as a digital bridge. However, they are free to add each other privately on Facebook for future relationships. I appreciate your suggestion that the group act as a third party. There are numerous topics to cover, and I prioritise revealing them within a 2000-word limit. However, the third-party facility only applies to limited members in terms of information sharing about the mix-married itself. It can be third place, second place, or, in some cases, no place at all until you need anything from there. I will definitely read your paper. 

      1. Wynetta Metasurya Avatar
        Wynetta Metasurya

        Hi Desi,

        Thank you for providing further insights as a response to my question. It’s amazing to know that this Facebook community has been going on for quite a while. I think this proves how an online community is just as important as an expansion to the existing ones that are done face-to-face. I like how you say the KKC Facebook group is a digital bridge.

        As you mentioned, the Facebook group has existed for 13 years. Do you see how this group will be going in the future? Are there opportunities for this group to expand to other social media platforms, especially as Facebook is now linked to Instagram?

  2. Desi Marliani Avatar
    Desi Marliani

    Hi again Wynetta,
    Thank you for taking an interest in the group. In response to your question about the expansion platform, there have been no discussions with the administrators about it. Managing a group with over 2,000 members demands dedication and time, as each post necessitates monitoring. The group is managed by 7 moderators with diverse and outstanding backgrounds, with 5 from OZ and 2 from NZ. Expanding to another platform may not be feasible at this time. 🙂
    Thank you again for your questions and attention.

    Kindest
    Desi

    1. Wynetta Metasurya Avatar
      Wynetta Metasurya

      That’s well-understood. Thanks for your response, it answers my curiosity about the expansion and further networking of the Facebook group!

      Cheers,
      Wynetta

  3. Mishma Noyan Avatar
    Mishma Noyan

    Hello Desi! Great read on your paper!
    I have learned about the community where Indonesians who married Australians would communicate and share their thoughts and opinions about their lifestyle on the Facebook group.
    I noticed you have only talked about the parents; however, I wanted to know if a community exists for their kids. The community where they can relate to one another and make friends through these platforms?

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hi Mishma , 
      I appreciate your time reading my paper. Your comment about the mixed-race children’s community is actually a great idea. As a parent of mixed races, I sometimes feel sorry for my kids, as they need to adapt differently to their parents families, learn different languages that they don’t use at school, and adapt to different cultures outside their parents countries as cosmopolitan kids (some families have to move overseas like Dubai, Thailand, Singapore or Africa due to their parents’ job)
      I have not seen this community exist, and I will throw the idea at the group if any of their children are grown up enough to manage the community. Thank you… 😊

      Cheers,
      Desi

  4. AmnaB Avatar
    AmnaB

    Hi Desi,

    I genuinely appreciate how you discussed many facets such as language, culture, networks, and so on, as these are, in my opinion, the ones that represent the most significant and occasionally the most difficult tasks that members of a community play.

    I’m interested to hear whether you plan to see something new and appropriate in the near future that will elevate the efficiency of the KKC OZ & NZ Facebook group to a new level. Can you also explain to me how the virtual and real-life relationships within the community affect how supportive and community-minded the group’s members feel?

    In conclusion, your research discusses the importance of social media for intercultural communication since it fosters virtual relationships that spill over into real life.Fantastic work!

    I would highly appreciate if you could read my paper and provide some feedback. https://networkconference.netstudies.org/2024/csm/3527/impact-of-social-media-on-our-real-life-social-skills/

    Kind Regards,
    Amna

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hi AmnaB,
      Thank you for reading my paper. I aim to address your enquiry regarding the impact of virtual and real-life relationships on the level of support and community-mindedness among group members. Real-life relationships extend beyond the virtual. I am, as a group member and one of the founders of the group, happy for them to find friends that they can rely on to share information and experiences. Some members express gratitude for the group’s existence, but a few years ago, some members felt they were in competition with each other and had their own opinions. They wanted to form a similar group, creating their own echo chamber and filter bubble before leaving the KKC group altogether. For those who create friendships outside the group, the reason is mostly because they live nearby and need friends. However, somehow, they still use the group to share and request information.
      I will read your paper today and live a comment.

      Regards,
      Desi

  5. monikawalter Avatar
    monikawalter

    Hey Desi,

    I found our discussion on the challenges faced by Indonesians in adapting to life in Australia quite interesting. It’s clear that the different living conditions in the two countries can make this a difficult process. While I don’t use Facebook much, I think the KKC OZ&NZ group you mentioned sounds like a great resource and I believe there should be more supportive communities like this for other countries and scenarios as well.

    I wanted to know your personal opinion on whether the language barrier and cultural differences could potentially make it difficult for children who grow up in Australia to connect with their Indonesian heritage later on. Given that English is the dominant language, do you think they might struggle to communicate in Indonesian and relate to the culture later? Let me know what you think 🙂

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hi Monika,
      Thanks for reading my paper, an answer to your question about my personal opinion of whether the language barrier and cultural differences could potentially make it difficult for children who grow up in Australia to connect with their Indonesian heritage later on. 100%. It depends on the child’s upbringing’s location. Whether they grow up in Indonesia or Australia will result in different outcomes in terms of understanding cultural differences. If one of the parents is from Australia and the children grow up in Indonesia, they will find it easier to connect with their Indonesian heritage than if they grow up in Australia. This is because there are certain cultural aspects of Indonesia that require deep understanding, such as attending traditional Indonesian weddings, comprehending special ceremonies like nyepi in Bali, and learning Indonesian jokes and slang. The source of understanding will not only come from one Indonesian parent but also from the community they grow up with, such as teachers, friends, extended family, etc. In contrast, if children grow up in Australia with one of their parents being Indonesian, the difficulty level is higher. Indonesian parents may have to train their children to speak Bahasa Indonesia from an early age, which is why most multilingual children experience speech delays and struggle to learn about the culture. If they don’t learn from an early age, it will be up to them if they want to learn Bahasa and culture.

      Kindest,
      Desi

  6. Cedric Li Avatar
    Cedric Li

    Hi Desi, amazing paper.
    Your paper was really interesting as it was new to me to learn about the KKC OZ and NZ community as well as the struggle for a lot of Indonesians whenever they move to Australia or New Zealand. I am not from Australia but I do follow an Australian content creator on YouTube called “Field Days” and to be honest, it was really hard for me to understand especially whenever he spoke as the Australian accent is slower speech with a more nasal tone, and longer diphthongs which am not used to. As such, I can relate to the difficulty of couples from different countries/backgrounds trying to communicate together. Although it becomes easier over time to get used to it, my question would be how could we make it easier for others especially Indonesians and Australian couples to communicate easier while maintaining our roots?

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hi Cedric, 
      Thanks so much for reading my paper. To answer your question about how we could make it easier for others, especially Indonesians and Australian couples, to communicate while maintaining our roots, every country has a culture that they treasure. Bahasa Indonesia, is one of them. Even if living abroad forces Indonesians to speak less of our language, they can still adapt. We can still cook Indonesian foods and attend Indonesian cultural events. If I have time at home, I cook Indonesian food and try to speak simple sentences of Bahasa Indonesia with my family. Sometimes I listen to Indonesian songs and let them catch the words that the singers sing. So I suppose there are many ways to keep our roots and engage with my Australian partner and kids. Feel free to ask me anything if you have more questions …

      Kindest,
      Desi

      1. Cedric Li Avatar
        Cedric Li

        Hi Desi, Thanks for your response as well as for sharing your experience with how to maintain our roots with others, especially loved ones. I really enjoyed your paper as well as the comments as I learned a lot about Indonesians and Australian couples from you 🙂

  7. Syifa Isnaini Avatar
    Syifa Isnaini

    Hi Desi,

    I did enjoy reading your paper, and the insight is fascinating: the online network brought friendship into real life in an era when some studies said that the internet drives us apart in real life. This is such a good anomaly, I think.

    I noticed that you also mentioned that people in the group can leave questions or comments anonymously. My question is: Did it ever cause any issues? I read some papers that on Twitter, anonymity have led to a lot of problems, so I wonder how it is on a facebook group?

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hey Syifa, 
      Thank you for taking the time to read my paper. I have provided an answer to your question about anonymity. Sometimes answering their question anonymously felt annoying and not fair if they asked about simple things; for example, they just moved to Melb and asked, Where is a recommended shop that sells Indonesian items the most? Some admins usually send them a message to embrace their identity; it doesn’t look polite when they ask insignificant questions and other members answer with their identity open. The admins only approve anonymous posts if the questions are very sensitive, such as when it is about domestic abuse, financial arrangements, or an illness, and ask what to do since the medical procedure in Australia is different from Indonesia. However, everyone who posts a question on a group wall has to get the administrator’s approval. 

      Thank you,

      Desi

  8. katelyn.rolfe Avatar
    katelyn.rolfe

    Hi Desi,

    This Facebook group sounds like an incredibly important and supportive community!

    What do you think of Taylor Dodson’s claim that the demise of community corresponded with the rise of the internet? (Discussed in Keith Hampton and Barry Wellman’s 2018 article ‘Lost and Saved . . . Again: The Moral Panic about the Loss of Community Takes Hold of Social Media’.) I would say the KKC OZ and NZ Facebook group is a great example of thick virtual community!

    Katelyn

  9. Desi Marliani Avatar
    Desi Marliani

    Hi Katelyn, 
    Thank you for taking the time to read my paper. In response to your question, Dotson’s definition of a thick community encompasses those individuals with whom we have a deep connection, such as those with whom we share an address or phone number, or those with whom we organise events such as play dates or dinners that we don’t do in KKC due to the location of each member. Also, in a virtual community like KKC, there are community standards that we need to follow, like we can be casual with limitations. Although it is a supportive group, there are limitations compared to face-to-face interaction. However, I admitted that KKC has become a successful bridge to create the new thick community that Dotson is talking about. 

    Thank you,

    Desi

    1. katelyn.rolfe Avatar
      katelyn.rolfe

      Hi Desi,

      Thank you for your reply!

      So would you say that the KKC community isn’t quite thick, by virtue of being virtual and therefore restricted in some ways, but it has the potential to build thick face-to-face community when KKC members take their interactions offline and come together in groups? Thereby agreeing with Dotson that virtual community can’t be thick community?

      Thanks,

      Katelyn

  10. Desi Marliani Avatar
    Desi Marliani

    Hi Katelyn, 
    Thank you again for replying. For KKC, the virtual community can’t match the depth of real friendship, particularly given the diverse identities posted on its wall, some of which opt for anonymity. It is a group of over 2,000 identities with diverse backgrounds, beliefs, views, and preferences. However, KKC is definitely a very supportive group. The limitation is similar to a workplace until you create a real friendship with your colleague. 
    I have met some of the ladies from KKC in Perth, and although we have a good relationship, the way we communicate virtually in the group when we respond to a question on a post is different when we catch up in person. Therefore, I don’t fully agree with Dotson’s statement about the ‘technology decline community’, given that KKC is actively cultivating new friendships that could potentially represent his definition of a “thick community.” But he has his point about the importance of real face-to-face friendship. And I hope it answers your question.

    Thank you,

    Desi

    1. katelyn.rolfe Avatar
      katelyn.rolfe

      Hi Desi,

      Thank you for such a well thought out response! I absolutely agree with you. It is really hard to create relationships with so many people in one group, and you’re certainly going to have some more active members and some more passive ones. I see that in our Discord chat too. It’s also really hard for people to connect with other users much because you’re constantly aware that you might be creating unnecessary notifications for everyone else, haha.

      Yes, good point about disagreeing with Dotson’s claim about community declining with technology but agreeing that face-to-face relationships and community are important. I tend to agree with Dotson that online communities overall (especially larger ones) will be thin. As Dotson says (in Technically Together, 2017), online communities can have moderately thick relational exchanges, but you don’t depend on each other as much as you would in face-to-face communities. However, online community can of course, as seen in the KKC community, lead to thick face-to-face community.

      Yes, you have answered my question, thanks so much again for your response!

      Katelyn

  11. Alan Donovan Avatar
    Alan Donovan

    Hi Desi,

    I appreciate your thoughtful analysis of the part a Facebook group can play in helping intercultural married couples from Australia and Indonesia grow socially. Your thorough examination of the virtual exchanges among members of the KKC OZ & NZ group and how they affect in-person friendships adds a great deal to our knowledge of virtual communities and intercultural adjustment.

    I am interested in the difficulties these groups have upholding inclusivity and resolving disputes among such a diverse bunch. Could you provide more details about how the administrators of KKC OZ & NZ resolve conflicts and make sure that everyone may continue to feel supported in the community?

    Your comment that virtual platforms can act as “digital bridges” is consistent with research on digital inclusion by research which indicates that immigrants’ sense of isolation can be considerably reduced by participating in online groups (Helsper, 2017). These platforms strengthen community ties by facilitating the exchange of helpful tips as well as emotional support.

    Helsper, E. J. (2017). The Social Relativity of Digital Exclusion: Applying Relative Deprivation Theory to Digital Inequalities. Communication Theory, 27(3), 223–242. https://doi.org/10.1111/comt.12110

    In addition, I would really appreciate it if you could fill out a short survey that is provided in my paper’s comments section – “The Psychological Impact of Social Media on Introverts”. It only takes a minute or so to complete, and I would like to discuss with you about your findings and opinions regarding the issues raised.

    https://networkconference.netstudies.org/2024/csm/3489/the-psychological-impact-of-social-media-on-introverts/

    Alan.

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hi Alan, 
      Thanks for reading my paper and answering your question above about resolving the problems among a diverse bunch. Treating people fairly doesn’t mean treating them the same. We evaluate the problems and where they begin in the treads. McKenna & Bargh (2000) stated that digital media communication often lacks the cues inherent in face-to-face interactions, leading to most problems. Facial expressions, gestures, and vocal intonations are just a few examples of these cues. Higher education does not imply intelligence or a lack of drama. This group’s inclusivity is mostly seniority and experience. Usually, they don’t mention or display the status of education or the economy. As they spoke more fluently, their answers were usually on point, whereas Indonesia’s culture has more chit-chat. We usually encourage whoever started the chaos (via PM), who is overly sensitive, to apologise. However, if cyberbullying has occurred, we don’t hesitate to expel members from the group. It has been smooth sailing for the last three years, without drama. Most drama occurred during the pandemic. Feel free to ask me more question.

      Thank you,
      Desi

  12. Mathew.C Avatar
    Mathew.C

    Hey Desi,

    That was quite an interesting read and enlightening to learn how so many Indonesians have discovered and made the KKC community a third place which facilitates so much meaningful and insightful guidance and support, which would otherwise be missing after migrating to a new country which approaches many facets of life in a way which varies to what is known and comfortable to them.

    As you have highlighted in your paper, the KKC group aims to provide a bridge between the two worlds for its diverse membership while offering support, mentorship, guidance and advice – including the occasional catch up for a cup of coffee. With this in mind, I am curious as to whether the administrative group of KKC have taken it upon themselves to extend their support beyond this digital third place, and into the real world in the way of support groups, activities or cultural events as examples, as a means to help connect potentially isolated or disconnected individuals to others in their local communities, as a means to further foster potential social connections and inclusivity for users amongst their peers in their various local areas?

    Looking forward to learning more 😊

    All the best,

    Mat

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Hey Mat, 
      Thanks for taking the time to read my paper. Responding to your enquiry about whether the KKC administrative team has stepped up to provide support not only online but also in the real world through support groups, activities, and cultural events, the answer is no and yes. We’re treating it as a personal relationship outside of the online group. Although I, for instance, assisted many members of the group with domestic violence, from seltering them to taking them to court (if I had time), I did it not on behalf of KKC admin. The same applies to those who host cultural events and organise group activities.

      Administrators of the KKC Group are spread across Australia and New Zealand. No one lives in the same state. We intentionally set this up so we could comprehend the laws in our state and avoid confusion.

      For the activities in the local community, there are separate groups for the local community’s activities. like the Indonesian Foodies Group in Perth’s Facebook group. 

      Hopefully, this will answer your question. 

      Kind regards,
      Desi

      1. Mathew.C Avatar
        Mathew.C

        Hey Desi,

        Thanks for the enlightening response! I can certainly appreciate that there is only so much a small community can do with the reach and provisions they have, especially given the vast geographic space being covered and the varied difficulties individuals would be facing in different regions.

        It’s great to hear that there are dedicated members such as yourself who have taken the initiative to get involved and provide above and beyond support and safe passage for members, especially during times of immense hardship and matters relating to personal safety.

        As the conference is coming to a close in a couple of hours, I just wanted to thank you for the insight you have provided as part of the conference and wish you all the very best with your future endeavours.

        Kind regards,

        Mat

  13. G Avatar
    G

    This was such an interesting paper!

    I am in an interracial relationship myself and totally agree that cultural barriers can be overcome, no matter how difficult.
    I often see free Indonesian lessons at a church i drive by, and amazing services such as these can bridge language barriers.

    I wonder how you think couples can share cultures and avoid cultural appropriation?
    I wasn’t aware there were Facebook groups dedicated to this kind of cultural exchange but hi think its a great initiative.

    Please read + comment on my paper if you can before the conference ends. It is about how the World Union of Jewish Students supports positive social change for students globally.
    https://networkconference.netstudies.org/2024/ioa/3452/the-world-union-of-jewish-students-wujs-supports-positive-social-change-for-students-globally-during-times-of-conflict/

    1. Desi Marliani Avatar
      Desi Marliani

      Thank you for reading my paper. G. 
      In my experience of fostering cultural exchange between couples, we began with the simplest things, such as being willing to eat each other’s food. Then languange. I understand that speaking English is essential for our survival. However, understanding appropriate slang is crucial for blending in with the local community. Sometimes we can’t avoid cultural appropriation, but we learn. I’m in the middle of of reading your paper. Gosh, I didn’t realise it was already 5 p.m. I’ll drop some comments after.

      Regards,
      Desi

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