Incels: How social networking is allowing the harmful spread of incel ideology

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Abstract

Incels have existed online for a very long time, but as social media grows and affords a so called “third place” for communities to connect outside of being physically together, there is a risk of how many people, including adolescents, are gaining access to the ideology. This paper aims to look at what incels are, the communities they have created & the dangerous nature of them, how social media has allowed for constant redistribution of the media and what exactly these companies are doing to prevent it from their sites.

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Introduction

The involuntarily celibate, or simply ‘Incels’ as they are more commonly referred to, have existed in online spaces for a long time. Incels are anti-feminism, with a nature that is aggressive and angry due to their inability to create romantic and sexual relationships with women. It has become apparent through the further rise of social media, that incel groups are increasing but perhaps are not sticking out to those who would condemn them due to such specific and personal algorithmic social media.  Social networking sites have introduced strategies to rid their platforms of the problematic and radicalised behaviours such as review and report systems, but too often hate speech and posts of a violent nature slip through the cracks of these implemented limitations. In addition to problematic content being missed is also the reposting and redistribution of incel centric content from influential social figures such as Andrew Tate, who aid in validating incel ideology of masculine superiority. Most people have become well aware by using any social media that there are a lot of young, and impressionable users on the app who are engaging in unmonitored content by their parents and caregivers, and so it poses a risk of exposing them to harmful incel driven content that promotes misogyny, violence against women, and general bigotry. Due to the overall surge in social media use, it has become apparent that social networking platforms have made it easy for men choosing to identify as involuntarily celibate (incel) to create a third place in which they can engage in and spread harmful ideology on such accessible platforms.

 

Social Media’s Contribution & Action

Realistically, men cannot be categorised as incels just by any specific attribute. Men of all different races, ethnicities, as well as religious backgrounds, sexual orientations or age ranges actively participate in incel culture and agree with the ideology (Radicalisation Awareness Network, 2021). Regardless of any societal barriers that may differentiate them, incels will band together over the common goal of opposing feminism and secluding women from any spaces they are in (Ging, 2017). Ging (2017) says that despite their position within society, incel men will view themselves as an oppressed group with a plethora of ideology that validates these feelings. This includes the idea that it is predetermined that someone’s place in society will be due to genetics. Such as if they are not traditionally masculine or attractive, they therefore cannot and will not attract women because women only want to be with hyper-masculine and successful men. They also feel oppressed by the concept of gynocentrism, which in short is the idea that society is structured to only benefit women and therefore disadvantage men (Radicalisation Awareness Network, 2021). Social media has afforded users a new kind of “third place” beyond traditional gathering spots, so communities can thrive despite any distance. The incel community was created to be a supportive online community of people feeling defeated because they are not having sex, but somewhere along that line it became violent and very misogynistic (Glace et al., 2021) and incels remain very prolific online.

 

But it now poses the question of how social networking sites have contributed over time to ever growing incel communities. Incel content is more common on some social networking than others, and incels tend to be plentiful on sites that are less restrictive and can be self-moderated. Hern (2021) says that sites 4chan and 8kun have a sizable amount of incels on their platforms because of loose moderation. The reputation of these particular sites comes with revelation that the extremely lax moderation resulted in vulgar, extremist content ranging from videos to harmful speech (Greengard, 2022). 4chan was shut down in 2019 (Internet matters, 2022) and 8kun seems to be inaccessible from google searches. But the axing of these sites has not stopped incels as they move their communities to other social networking platforms. Reddit is another forum based social networking that is loosely monitored and allows a lot of explicit content on its site. Reddit has had an unfortunate history of previously being associated with hateful online communities, including incels. And whilst popular incel subreddits have been deleted due to media attention (Gillett & Suzor, 2022), with such large numbers of users and over 130,000 active subreddits (Flynn, 2022) it is possible that copycat incel subreddits could be flying under the radar. Negligence to incel content on social media can lead to extremely horrific circumstances, such as the Plymouth shooting in 2021. Offender Jake Davidson was a self-confessed incel who was obsessed with the culture and mass killings. But it was only a few hours before the attacks that his Reddit account got suspended for breaking site policy (Hern, 2021).

 

So, what are social networking sites actively doing to ensure they are eliminating violent content and posts from being accessed by users?

Instagram outlines in their community guidelines they take measures over content shared to their platform that may insight violence or is hate speech (Instagram Help Centre, n.d.). TikTok details that any organised hate group and speech is not to be permitted onto the site and will be banned (TikTok, n.d.). YouTube condemns violent content and hate speech and says it will terminate channels for repeated violation (YouTube, n.d.). Whilst these commonly used social medias can enact protective rules, and review content where necessary, it is still possible incel content will be missed and constantly reuploaded or mimicked.

 

Redistribution of Incel Media

Whilst reposting and redistribution of media is not a new concept, social media sites have afforded users even simpler ways to spread media second hand. Some social networking sites have dedicated reposting features which allows media to reach new and further audiences. So whilst the power of the retweet, the repost or the reupload can be used for good, if unmoderated properly, redistribution of harmful content can slip through the cracks and algorithmically reach exactly the intended audiences. Therefore meaning it may not be reported and taken down leaving it open to reach even the youngest of internet users. Popular among young men online, even those who do not identify as incels, is social media personality Andrew Tate. Tate’s videos have been reposted profusely by accounts not associated with him, like fan accounts, even despite some social media bans on his content due to its harmful nature (Wilson, 2022). Axis (2023) says that the appeal of Andrew Tate’s image is his masculinity. Incel men value masculinity greatly and become reactive when women are progressive within society, particularly within workplaces or the personal life of the incel (Scaptura & Boyle, 2019). The firm belief of women’s inferiority and the desire to be opposition to feminism is a result of the “Black Pill Theory” in which Lindsay (2022) states is when men begin to believe that the world favours women and begrudges low-status men like themselves. This idea takes inspiration from the “Red Pill Theory” that supposedly awakens men to the oppressions of males within society due to feminism and supposed female superiority (Lindsay, 2022). These theories are structured to fit narratives of how hierarchical attractiveness and the position of women and feminism within society is the reason for why incel men are unsuccessful in their pursuit of relationships. And are further emphasised when engaging within social communities that incels and incel content either lurk or have large presences in, such as the material of that from Andrew Tate.

 

Some incels have become violent in their radicalisation. This became apparent after a mass killing in 2014 by a college student fulfilling his “day of retribution” for never having romantic or sexual relationships with women (Scaptura & Boyle, 2019). The attack was followed by another incel driven mass attack in Toronto in 2018 when a man drove a van through a crowd, prompted by his hatred of women (Lindeman, 2022). And beyond Andrew Tate there are other powerfully placed men who through social networking have established themselves as very anti-female, which appeals to incels and their overall desire to preserve masculinity and half blame their celibacy on feminism. Jordan Peterson, another public figure, voiced that he understood the position of the murderer of the 2018 attack (Southey, 2018). Southey (2018) said that the reaction and response from Jordan Peterson was received well by the incel community as it validated their feelings. Peterson affirmed an incel ideology that the most attractive of men take all the women therefore this is why the rest of the men are being rejected, particularly for sex. Jordan Petersons solution to this? All the attractive men would run out and consequently women would just “have to settle” for incels (Southey, 2018). The implication of this all is that if women were just to have sex and engage in relationships with incel men than they would be less angry, and therefore not be committing violent hate crimes. Criticism followed these comments made by Jordan Peterson, but none the less it is still accessible and can be redistributed to reach multitudes of men susceptible to incel culture, including adolescents.

 

Susceptibility of Adolescents

Whilst most social media and networking sites have age restrictions, typically of around age 13 and older, it is not uncommon that children even younger than this are consuming incel content online. And unmonitored content at that. O’Keeffe & Clarke-Pearson (2011) say that social media use for young people becomes problematic for several reasons but put emphasis on exposure to inappropriate content. It is easy to argue that incel content in any form is inappropriate and should not be viewed by someone who is as impressionable as a child. Impressionability in this case is the notion of being vulnerable to an environment that poses risky health behaviours (Gwon & Jeong, 2018). Overconsumption of social media at a young age is unhealthy, and furthermore algorithms of social media exposing young people to incel driven content is also unhealthy and problematic right to its core. TikTok for example has algorithms that are very complex with users being served content that will specifically interest them, and because of the apps addictive qualities it can lead to hours of on end scrolling for many people (Schellewald, 2021). This means for anyone interacting with incel content, they could be putting themselves in a metaphorical bubble of radicalisation.

 

Think about this “bubble” when it is a young pre-teen or teenage boy who is feeling validated by his first exposure to the content, so he keeps interacting and therefore being given more by the algorithm. Lindsay (2022) mentions that in a forum of incel men, one described radicalisation as a process that begins on incel social networking and then stumbling across the red and black pill theories, ending in the idea that inferior men are ill-fated. Simply put, incel men feel that because they are not ‘Chads’, which are the most attractive of men, the world is against them, and they will never be sexually or romantically involved with women (Lindsay, 2022). If the most impressionable of people are constantly consuming these ideas of anti-feminism and incel ideology because social networking allows for it, then it becomes difficult to find a point of return.

                                                                                                                        

Conclusion

To conclude, it has become apparent that incel culture is rife and because of the accessibility and convenience of creating active networks and communities online, it has become easy for incels to become prevalent in internet spaces. This therefore means that incel ideology, which is extremely harmful, has the ability to reach a large amount of people and possibly radicalise more men. Glace et al. (2021) says that the men in incel communities will degrade women and be violently misogynistic whilst resenting their lack of relationships with women. The ideas that incels have, their behaviours and at times their desire to be violent has proven burdensome on society far too long now. And despite public condemnation, nothing has been enough to put a stop to the spread of their radical behaviours. The rise of social networking use has made it easy for the involuntary celibate to create a third place to share harmful ideology and culture to people from near and far. From now it is up to social media sites to enact harsher restrictions and penalties on the posting and redistribution of incel content in an attempt to help remove it completely from their sites.

 

 

 

 

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27 responses to “Incels: How social networking is allowing the harmful spread of incel ideology”

  1. Thomas.M.Lewis Avatar
    Thomas.M.Lewis

    I found you paper to have quite some depth into the interplay between the internet and Incels Ideology,
    wonder if you see any benefit to their views or simply find them harmful as a hole regarding society?

    Furthermore is there subcultures developed/supported by social networking that you think are beneficial to society?

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Thomas,

      Thanks for your comment!

      I think that the views are very harmful on society. It is hard to find any benefits to incel culture and I firmly believe they do much more harm than any good. That being said, I think that had the incel community remained as a supportive group for people feeling frustrated by their lack of sexual intimacy, then it could have been beneficial and created a secure space for the expression of frustration (within reason). But disturbingly over time, these communities become violent and misogynistic.

      As for your question about subcultures of social networking, are you referring to the subcultures of incels specifically or any subcultures in general?

      Hope to hear back from you soon!

      – Hayley.

      1. Thomas.M.Lewis Avatar
        Thomas.M.Lewis

        Hello Hayley,

        Sorry about the late reply, I became preoccupied with work, I meant subcultures in general, your veiws are fair and well represented within the paper and i can agree without a doubt, glad to see your paper got a large amount of attention as it was quite well thought out, bets of luck with A2,

        Regards Tom(OUA).

      2. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
        Hayley.Dodds

        Hey Tom!

        Not a problem at all, and thanks so much for the kind words! Great to hear back from you. Best of luck in A2 and the rest of the semester to you too 🙂

        To answer your question though I definitely think any sub culture on social networking that is generally supportive and allows for freedom of expression in any way, can be beneficial. Internet groups have allowed for people to be expressive and find groups with common interests so easily. I think if it does not challenge basic human decency then let it be. And we know incels are just not apart of that.

        Thanks!
        – Hayley

  2. Sandra Silvi Avatar
    Sandra Silvi

    Fantastic Paper Hayley.
    The dangers of unintentional radicalization for adolescents is particularly fascinating.
    Assuming that there is no more social media sites can do to eliminate or censor this content, what role do you think a parent or caregiver has in protecting their children from these ideals?
    In your opinion, what would you view as a more beneficial tactic for parents/caregivers? A “banning all social media for teens” approach or a “teaching safe usage and safe navigation of those sites”? Or perhaps something in between?

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Sandra,

      Thank you for the kind words and your comment!

      I think that parents and caregivers play a very integral role in protecting their children from the dangers of the internet. I believe that the parent or caregiver should be doing whatever they can to monitor social networking use, implementing the child safety features that some social media’s have (like YouTube Kids) and definitely not allowing their child access to a social media any younger than the sites age limit. Although they may approach a problem as the child becomes older, particularly when they enter their teen years, and wish for more internet freedoms. I think that this freedom for teens can be good. But then education becomes extremely important from the parents and caregivers in terms of understanding the dangers of the internet and to be aware of just what kind of content, even beyond incel content, lives online.
      So to continue, and answer your second question, I believe the most beneficial tactic would absolutely be to teach safe usage and navigation of the sites that incels are rather prolific on.
      Additionally, I think that when teens are old enough and mature enough to identify problematic behaviours online, their parent or caregiver certainly should not shelter them from knowing at least a small amount about incels, in an attempt to ensure that their teen can remove themselves from any group or site that is promoting the ideologies of incels.

      – Hayley.

  3. Ajeng.Wulandari Avatar
    Ajeng.Wulandari

    Great paper with a powerful message Hayley! I am still wondering about the role of education in combating the spread of incel ideology though. Social media platforms do have the ability to regulate harmful content, but in your opinion, how can we educate users to challenge and recognise incel ideologies in their online as well as offline communities?

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi AJ,

      Thankyou so much for your comment!

      I think that education plays an incredibly crucial role in resisting the spread of incel ideology. I think that by teaching critical thinking skills, empathy and media literacy is a great place to start. By doing these things, users are afforded an ability to identify and challenge any harmful ideologies they see online and offline, which can go beyond just incel ideology.
      Parents, caregivers, educational institutes (from primary right through to university level) and community initiatives can all help in this education, making the internet safer for young people especially but also our communities. Radicalised individuals can spread the ideology to people outside of the internet and that is exposure that we just do not need.

      – Hayley.

      1. Ajeng.Wulandari Avatar
        Ajeng.Wulandari

        Thank you for responding Hayley! I completely agree that education plays a crucial role in resisting the spread of harmful ideologies, including incel ideology. As you mentioned, teaching critical thinking skills, empathy, and media literacy is crucial. I think that teaching students these skills in schools and universities can help them to challenge and identify harmful ideologies they see both online and offline, as well as help them to become responsible and informed digital citizens.

        In your opinion, what are some effective ways to teach media literacy and critical thinking skills to students? Do you think that these skills should be taught as part of the curriculum in schools and universities?

        1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
          Hayley.Dodds

          Hi AJ, nice to hear from you again!

          In my opinion, teaching digital literacy and critical thinking skills (for online and real life) to students is so important. And if that can be emphasised by implementing it in to a school curriculum, then I support it completely.
          Having dedicated courses in schools or integrating teaching these skills into existing subjects such as English, social studies/sciences or media studies, is a good place to start! Additionally, engaging teaching methods like case studies, group discussions and exploring real life examples can enhance student understanding and help them use critical thinking skills. It is also extremely important to provide teachers and school staff with the correct information and tools to teach content within these subjects, ensuring students are gaining the proper skills. Doing this can help us aim toward a future where young people are capable of identifying and resisting harmful, radicalised behaviours online.

          – Hayley.

  4. Samuel.Claydon Avatar
    Samuel.Claydon

    Hello Hayley, thank you for sharing your paper with the conference, it was an eye-opening read to say the least.

    While I have certainly heard the term incel thrown around before online, I never knew just how horrible some of these people are. I wish I could say I was surprised about the amount of violence carried out by this group, but after reading through your paper they seem delusional enough to justify it in their minds.

    The quote “if women were just to have sex and engage in relationships with incel men than they would be less angry, and therefore not be committing violent hate crimes” is simply disgusting. Implying that women are responsible for the crimes that other incels like them have committed is just sick. It is dumbfounding how people like Peterson and Tate even gathered a following on social media.

    I was raised to treat everyone equally, and I like to think that even as a teen I would not have been influenced by people like Peterson. I would think that anyone who was raised in a loving home with good parental figures would be the same. And while I know that not everyone has that luxury, it is just shocking to me that there are so many people willing to follow the word of someone so abhorrent.

    Do you think that parents are in some ways responsible for men who grow up to become incels? Would love to hear your thoughts.

    -Sam

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Samuel,

      Thank you so much for your comment and sharing your thoughts and opinions on incels! It is certainly an eye opening topic, and the more you learn and discover about it all, the more disturbing it becomes.

      You made an extremely fantastic point about how the way you were raised has had an impact on how you treat people, and you believe as a teen you would not have engaged in incel content. You were raised to be able to identify problematic behaviours, but unfortunately, as you have pointed out, not everyone grows up in an environment where they can do the same.

      I do believe that in some ways, parents have an accountability when their children are engaging and participating in these areas on the internet. If parents are not teaching their sons the fundamentals of respect, particularly for women in this context, then how can it be expected that respect is passed over in to internet spaces? Or expected that a young person is able to spot controversial behaviours, posts, groups etc? Furthermore if parents become aware of what their child is doing online but are not trying to intervene, then complacency is a huge problem.
      Unfortunately though, despite some parents best efforts, children still get caught up in it all. And peer pressure can make it difficult to prevent as well. And if parents are entrusting their child to monitor their own social media and internet use, it is very easy for the parent to be completely unaware of what is happening on their sons devices.

      – Hayley.

      1. Samuel.Claydon Avatar
        Samuel.Claydon

        Hey Hayley,

        Thanks for the reply!

        You’ve made some very good points here. I didn’t even think about the fact that some parents may know what their son is doing and still letting them continue. Do you think at that point a lack of education on the parent’s behalf is the problem? Maybe some of the older generations simply don’t know the dangers of social media.

        I do agree that parents should be monitoring their children’s social media usage, at least up until a certain age. At some point the child will need to have some freedom, and the parents will need to have faith that they have taught them well enough to avoid falling in with groups like incels.

        I have done a bit of research on the topic since yesterday and found an article talking about the role of parents in creating incels. The author brings up an interesting point that disregarding traditional gender roles would be a solution to the problem. The idea being that teaching young boys that emotions are not something to supress, that we should talk about our feelings and learn how to process them.

        Here is a link to the article if you are interested: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10304312.2021.1958160

        Thanks again for the well thought out reply!

        -Sam

        1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
          Hayley.Dodds

          Hi Sam, great to hear from you again!

          Thank you for sharing that article, it is a very insightful read. And the point you highlight of the authors re the disregard of gender roles is a great place to start. Especially if we want to aim toward allowing young men to feel secure enough in their masculinity, however they perceive that concept, and share their emotions.
          I really appreciate you taking the time to research further on incel’s and share what you have found with me!

          To answer your question, I definitely think digital illiteracy and a lack of internet knowledge from parents can make it difficult to properly educate children about safe use of the the internet and social media. Unfortunately many parents are allowing their children into a digital world with such little knowledge on it themselves because it can be so overwhelming!

          – Hayley

  5. Sarah.Bailey Avatar
    Sarah.Bailey

    Hi Hayley,

    It is interesting to read another (albeit similar) perspective on a similar topic to my own. I totally agree that the convenience and accessibility (and anonymity!) of the web has allowed incel ideologies to flourish.

    Reading your paper has me wondering about the more insidious expressions of inceldom, like your outline of Jordan Peterson’s support of incel rhetoric. Do you think, in many ways, this more subtle verbalisation of ideals is more dangerous than other, more overt expressions? In some sense, I feel as though people like Peterson (who are often seen as an authority, at least in conservative spaces) are more to blame for the radicalisation of individuals than the actual communities of extreme incels. They serve as a middle ground–a stepping stone to more radical means of self-identification, where susceptible individuals are more inclined to listen and empathise with nefarious messages than they would be if they were to engage with a more overt incel. It’s especially concerning when you consider people like Peterson, with insidious incel world views, may be in positions of power!

    I’d love to hear your thoughts!
    Sarah

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Sarah,

      Thanks for your comment! And I really appreciate you bringing your knowledge and views on incel’s to the discussion!

      I could not agree more with what you said re Jordan Peterson and other authoritative figures in incel spaces. There is absolutely an accountability they have to take in the radicalisation of people, particularly when first exposed. And to draw on the themes of my paper, when their voices are amplified through social networking, these social figures always tend to leak into the algorithms of very susceptible individuals.
      I do think that the more subtle verbalisation of incel ideologies can be more harmful than the more overt declarations and expressions. I think that a big part of this is because it can be much harder to identify as being associated with incel ideology or behaviour. If we consider what content some figures like Andrew Tate are pushing, which is that reclaim and reshape of what masculinity supposedly is and how to be an ‘alpha male’, whilst it is not directly something associated with inceldom it certainly could be a starting point to falling into those behaviours. And those who are already deep in are about 3 steps ahead in their consumption and redistribution of that particular content.

      – Hayley.

      1. Sarah.Bailey Avatar
        Sarah.Bailey

        Hi Hayley,

        You’re right. It’s like that analogy about boiling a frog. I doubt most radicalised individuals (incels included) went straight from 0 to 100. Figures like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate are the middle-ground that slowly desensitise unradical individuals into radical ones. I wonder what can justifiably be done to reduce their impact, given that their expressions (at least, in some capacities) are less extreme that fully radicalised incels who spout overt hate speech that is easy to remove from social media. Though it would be largely beneficial to remove these popular figures from social media, is there a way to do this without inspiring a “free speech” backlash from their supporters, who see nothing wrong with their more mild forms of misogyny? What do you think would be the most effective way to cut off their influence into pushing individuals down such an extreme pipeline?

        Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
        Sarah

        1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
          Hayley.Dodds

          Hi Sarah, great to hear from you again!

          This is a really great question!
          I unfortunately don’t think there is any way to completely remove these middle-ground kind of creators, especially not without backlash. Whilst just banning them would be the easiest way of preventing them from influencing young men and sending them down the incel pipeline, undoubtedly their supporters would come to the creators defence with the argument of free speech.

          But if there is any way to de-influence, it is going to take a very nuanced approach. And I think that could start with social media sites improving algorithms to remove misogynist content by instead pushing counterarguments to inceldom/misogyny/anti-feminism etc and content from positive role models that can challenge the ideas of people like Tate and Peterson. Promoting alternative voices and pushing educational content can possibly help mitigate the influence of these middle-ground creators and hopefully prevent any radicalisation.

          – Hayley

          1. Sarah.Bailey Avatar
            Sarah.Bailey

            Hi Hayley,

            Thanks for replying!

            I agree, education is a great solution to extremism and one that social media platforms should be prioritising. The crucial part is reaching people before its too late (and they become unreceptive to any contrasting viewpoints), although given there are already hundreds of thousands of incels it is unlikely they’ll all be able to be deradicalised through education. Do you think that no matter what measures are taken to educate and deradicalise, there will always be some amount (perhaps a small one) of people who identify as incels?

            Sarah

  6. Michelle Lee Avatar
    Michelle Lee

    Dear Hayley,

    This is a very educational and eye-opening paper. It is my first time learning about incels and their harmful societal representation. I am curious why certain males would unrealistically categorize themselves as such. What is their purpose, motivation, and benefit of being part of this demeaning community?

    Based on your article, some might have been socially misguided by the media they consume, influencers they follow or outright dislike ambitious & successful women. However, could it be that they lack the courage to pursue women, experience failed relationships due to incompatibility, and nonsensically assume that women do not find them attractive? To believe that women only date attractive men and do not consider their qualities, character, and value is shallow and baseless. I am keen to hear your views on this. Thanks 🙂

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      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Michelle,

      Thank you so much for your comment and questions!

      It is lost on many, including myself, why anyone would want to consider themselves an incel, but I would say that men who identify generally do not always have the same motivations or reasons for doing so. Though I do think a lot of the time it stems from the depletion they feel over their inability to form romantic or sexual relationships with women. And the benefit they see from inceldom is being a part of a community who are experiencing the same thing. Which would be okay if it had not of become violently misogynistic and completely anti-feminism.

      I think that these men feel validated by inceldom because they believe the reason they aren’t having sex or romantically pursuing women is because they are not “chads”, the ideal attractive and successful man they believe women only want to be with. A lot of the time they probably do feel discouraged to ask women out because of their own perceived physical attractiveness. But to assume that women only date the most attractive of men with no consideration of who they are as a person is absolutely shallow and baseless as you said!

      It is so important to emphasise that no one is entitled to a sexual or romantic relationship from anyone. Having bad luck with dating, relationship incompatibility, sexual pursuits etc are terribly selfish and entitled excuses as to why a man would turn to inceldom! But unfortunately incels tend to not be self aware enough to recognise that.

      -Hayley.

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    Jayne.Danaher

    Hey Hayley,

    I found your paper particularly engaging as it mentioned the concept of ‘incels’ that I was not aware of. It definitely was an eye opener and allowed me to understand this negative representation within society with deeper meaning.

    I would be intrigued to know your thoughts on why you think these anti- feminist behaviours from individuals believe this is socially acceptable. Is there not enough education regarding this concept online? Or even where and how does it spark within an individual?

    I look forward to hearing from you!

    Regards,
    Jayne.

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      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Jayne,

      Thank you so much for your comment and question!!

      I think that the primary reason why they believe their anti-feminist behaviours are okay is because they have indulged themselves so far into a community which has unintentionally become an echo chamber of their beliefs being reinforced and validated. It is completely problematic as incels cannot identify how it is wrong, and have lost their ability to be self aware. I think that whilst education is important, it alone may not be enough to address what is contributing to anti-feminist ideas. But it certainly is a step in the right direction to stamp it out. And that can be done with the right education in the home, school & community, adapting the right critical thinking skills (a think before you post kind of thing) and general support for anyone engaging with incel groups or pages in an attempt to identify why they may feel the way they do. As for what sparks or pushes someone toward inceldom, I think there are so many complexities which includes personal experiences, cultural norms, media influence, and any first exposure to radicalised content.

      – Hayley

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    mahisha

    Hi Hayley,

    This is an interesting paper. Do you think that there would be less people spreading incel ideology if schools and parents educated children about social media behaviour?

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Mahisha,

      Thanks for your comment!

      I do think that parents/caregivers and school systems play such an integral role in teaching young people about protective and safety measures on social media. Whilst young people are becoming more equipped to figure the internet out themselves, there are so many parts that should be avoided by someone so impressionable, and I think incel forums and groups are definitely part of that. As I mention in my paper, it is becoming harder to avoid as it leaks onto big social media platforms like TikTok and Instagram. But the right education on safe social media usage and how to identify problematic behaviours is a good place to start in ensuring incel ideology does not continue to spread.

      – Hayley

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    Emma.M.Mcgrath

    Hey Hayley!
    I really enjoyed reading your paper as the phenomenon of ‘incels’ was something i did not know very much about.
    This mentality is so damaging to society and it is crazy to find out how large of a platform there is for incels online.

    How do you think society can better educate people on aspects of feminism and relationships to ensure people don’t end up with such extremist mentality? e.g. better education surrounding this issues in schooling or more resources in the online space?

    Thanks!
    Emma

    1. Hayley.Dodds Avatar
      Hayley.Dodds

      Hi Emma,

      Thank you so much for your comment and question. I could not agree more, the mentality is so dangerous and it is genuinely surprising how many people agree with incel ideologies!

      I think that to better educate people on feminism and relationships in an attempt to prevent extremist mentalities, society needs an adaptable approach! Education in schools is so important and I believe it can start with topics like gender equality, healthy relationships and consent. As for online spaces, platforms can do more to provide accurate resources and proof checking information that that can debunk any misinformation shared about feminism and its related topics. Also just encouraging and teaching critical thinking and media literacy skills within the home and in the community could help individuals navigate their social networking use more effectively.
      I think that in general, creating safe and open spaces for conversations about these topics is crucial in the attempt to stamp it out of the very problematic and extreme behaviours and mindsets.

      – Hayley

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